Can I put a deposit on the house now? hang on.... I think I have some loose change in my pocket..... *rummages around*

there you go, $5.54. (Note: Australian currency, may translate to negative US dollars depending on the weather ;-) in all 4 quadrants)

seriously though, I'm going to buy a lottery ticket on the way home, can you just hold it for me? It's not a matter of IF i win but WHEN. I'd say a week max. just for my bank to process the deposit.

either that or i could work for I-I for 3 years without pay? I can be the new guy from Australia who does all the repetitive boring stuff no-one else wants to do.

anyway pass it on to Ken ;-)

no harm in trying

p.s. also. I can juggle 5 balls for like 20 seconds.... thats gotta count for something

I suppose it had to happen at some point, but I hate the idea. I had the pleasure of hanging out in that house a couple of years back, and it has an energy that is amazing. Or perhaps it was the people in it...but where else are you going to get that convergence of history and people and ideas? Someone will buy it, then start redoing the kitchen and changing things and it will never be a place one can go to see where it all was born these many years ago. Change is a constant, but I sure wish someone wealthy would buy this place and make it available in some creatively integral way. I hate to think that others won't have the chance I did to poop in Ken's toilet!!

As for the price, that's really low. I'd buy it just for the investment value if I could.

So here's the interesting thing. I dreamed about this house just last night. I was in the living room, but it was different. It was more modern (the house has a distinctly 80's feel to it in real life), or should I say, post-post-modern, perhaps. And the fireplace was in the middle of the room, which was all white. Anyway, the glass in the windows went from floor to ceiling, so there were no walls. And the valley outside was flooded, so that only little hills were showing in this vast, calm sea. The sky was amazing, and the clouds were like impressionistic artwork. I don't know how to convey the vastness of this view, but there you go. Dreams are like that. Ken was standing there while I was telling him how amazing the view was, and he was laughing, saying he knew. I was rolling around on the floor, looking at the sky then the water. I was afraid to fall, knowing I'd die if I did, but I wanted to get closer to the water.

It was a profoundly peaceful dream. Ken had kindly opened up all of these vistas for me. The meaning is pretty obvious, but the setting was so evocative. And to hear that this house may become just another privately owned mansion is very sad for me. This is a very special place, where my life and others' were altered immeasurably. I would prefer if this didn't become another lesson in impermanence!

Love and thanks for all that Ken has done,

Liz

This is the most lifeless, souless home I have ever seen.

What an amazing house - not quite my cup of tea (even if I had the money to buy it), but I can certainly see how so much amazing work could have been done here

Just why is this in "Holon News"?

I must have skipped the piece that says "Real Estate Advertisments" will help with your ILP ;-)

But seriously, it pointlessly undermines the authenticity of the integral movement in favour of Wilbur worship.

Peace and stillness,

Tom

While I have often been bemused at the new and innovative ways these Holon newletters devise to part the spiritually inclined with their material wealth... (expensive meditation courses... life-changing kits... exorbitantly priced seminars etc...) I never expected to see it used to sell real estate! Guess I'll pass up this great opportunity... good luck though!

Wow! Who was the arcitect? It's missing some geisha's frollicking around, though. Boy, if those walls could talk. Muahhhhhhhhhhhhhahahahah!

"As for the price, that's really low."

haw haw haw hee hee ooghhh ahhh ha ha ha h a hahahaha whewoh man har haw hehehehe haw oohhhh gawd. hoo.

tell it to darfur.
that could feed a village.

so, how much for wilber's underwear?
there's real Spiritchuwall History there, too.
wow. yes! i wanna be a part of the history of wilber's underwear, and the integral vision that matured therein!
think how many important wise famous teachers were RIGHT THERE next to those underwear, right in the same room!

i mean think about it.

I think the Smithsonian should take it over.

I think it is "like, totally appropo" that this is in the Holons news! Some will find it incongruent with the integral mindset some will find it nostalgic. I mostly find it humerous because when I was in high school and found out that a very bright man named Ken Wilbur lived somewhere in my neighborhood (near Chataqua and the Flat Irons) I would walk around wondering which house it could possibly be. I never did find it and never knew what was going on there as I grew up in Boulder. The price sounds right for Boulder standards but the lack of water and the pollution is what will cost it's new inhabitants the most! After all, it is just another living space in another town. Give me a tent on the Thames or a house boat in Holland or just give me my house here in KY where "who you are while you are there" is what counts and everything else is just a memory!
- Lissa

check out my related comment under dan's page. do you think it will work? i am SOnearly homeless...

and i'm sorry, i know it's wilbur. just, you know, wilber works for me...

Liz writes:

"I hate to think that others won't have the chance I did to poop in Ken's toilet!!
and
I would prefer if this didn't become another lesson in impermanence!"

Liz, if the deal with Dan works out, i promise you, every time i poop in that toilet i will poop all quadrants, all levels, all lines, all states, all types... and every poop will be dedicated to you. and Ken. whatever.

alas, i cannot do anything about impermanence except to reassure you that it is actually quite safe.

you might want to draw this promise to Dan's attention. every little bit helps.

Integrity please. Ken's real estate is a private matter not community news.

Actually i think this is completely newsworthy. It has nothing whatsoever to do with "Wilber worship"--it was simply our intention to notify the general integral community that the house was on sale, in case anyone was interested. That house really means a lot to Ken, as well as the rest of us who've been around for more than a few years. It really is a historic place--Ken and Treya lived there together, SES was man-birthed there along with the concept of the four quadrants, the very first Integral Institute meetings were held there, etc. If it were you, wouldn't you prefer that your home, which means more to you than words can express, ended up with someone you actually "knew"?

Interestingly, of all the items in the recent Holons mailer, this is by far the one with the most views. So it must be news to someone out there....

It's amazing how minds whirl through something like this; overarching condemnation, Wilber worship, Wilber-hate, et al. Thankfully there's some humor too. As the old statement goes: “When we judge or criticize another person, it says nothing about that person; it merely says something about our own need to be critical.” On the other hand, as Churchill pointed out: “Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” To criticize or not to criticize - this is the question. Or is it? If one wants to play in the dualistic arena of one versus the other - it IS the question. Duality loves to whack into its other half. It's their job, It's their nature. On the other hand......what does the voice of non-duality say? And what does the voice of non-duality along with duality say? Hm. Anyway.......

So dear ones, please whack away at whatever - if you must. Or not - if you must. The truth is: nothing fundamentally changes one way or another, unless it does - and then there you have it. The core-key to change is to let go of fear; fear of Wilber worship, fear of Ken's real estate listed in Holons, fear of making light of something that is considered by some to be heavy, and vice versa, fear of condemnation, fear of non-condemnation, fear of not being right, fear of being wrong, fear of not being "integral", "fear of being too integral", "fear of being a reptilian brain", "fear of Sadam returning as a reincarnated rhino", etc. It's the folly of fear folks, unless it isn't, and well then shucky-darn, there you have it what ever it is, and however it shows up.

We have "God as fear", "God as no-fear", "God as that which is beyond fear", "God which includes fear and no fear but yet transcends and includes both", "God as the grand mystery that goes beyond anything we can possibly conjure" ad infinitum, ad nauseam. After all, there is only God so we might as well relax as it unfolds itself to itself by itself to itself as US, as everything/nothing, and not take our little old God-particle selves so seriously. Unless we must - by God! Because after all - God R US!!! :-)

Oops. Speaking of "God", I'm suddenly feeling feverishly pulled to resume my All-Week Rockies' Prayer Vigil. Sorry. I can't let up now, otherwise "God as the voice of guilt" might take over and I'll start thinking I'm slacking off. There's "God as great fear" present around the unthinkable possibility that the Rockies will not win the World Series you know, i.e., a bolt of lightening through the skull kind of thing if I stop twirling my prayer beads. Sorry. Gotta go. Now. Just push some food under the door when you get a chance. Picking up the mantra, hands in the maha-Rockies mudra position, full lotus posture wearing baseball spikes and a Rockies baseball cap: "We will Rock U, we will Rock U, we will Rock U......":-) Carry on.

you guys crack me up. haven't you noticed that when you think you're AWARE of nondualism you're already in the real estate businesss?

my vote is still 1) the house proceeds go to refugees
1) i get the house. dan, where are you, man?

"MAN-BIRTHED??"

I'm amazed at the vitriol. Man, I'm glad I'm not Ken. There's being a projection magnet, and then there's another whole level of magnitude worse.

Yes, this is a historic place, and it would be great if someone bought it who appreciated that. I hardly think it has anything to do with worshiping Ken. In fact, having been there when it wasn't prettied up for the real estate pictures--I think they bought all new appliances--I can say it actually made me feel he's more human... And, well, there were lots of people drinking and all. It wasn't exactly a shrine to His Big Badass Baldness.

Liz

Writing as somebody who lives in a country full of stately homes...and writing as somebody who has visited one of these in the last four decades (girlfriend pressure) because artifacts of antiquity hold as much fascination for him as a playing-card pyramid posesses stability...I would like to say that I personally have no interest in the fate of Ken Wilber's house...I do, however, care about the fate of the ever-fractallising Integral Movement....Nagarjunas teachings seem more important to me than the pallyass he slept on....

...additionally, I have unreserved respect for the sentiments expressed by Tamgoddess and those of you for whom the KW abode holds valuable and abiding memories..I understand that sentimentality has much to offer...for me, sentimental attachment enables me to build structure into my grief so that I can drip-feed it into my psyche to prevent myself from being overwhelmed by its sheer intensity...

I enjoyed some of the funny comments and warmed to my anonymous predecessor's observations on fear.

Blessings.

well ok. maybe if dan gives me the house i can talk ken into STAYING. or at least, like, he could have parties and teachings and everyone could come and keep the grief structured and everything.

hell, i bawled like a baby when they took my gramma's trailor down.

there were rainbows. i saw them.

i DID.

(liz, there is no vitriol here. i'm absolutely SURE that ken is not hurt. friendly humor is sweet. the air is sweet. a million dollars is sweet. and memories are sweet. breathe. it's ok.)

Dear Friends at Holons,

To me it feels inappropriate to be offering real estate ads that benefit one individual in a newsletter that goes out to the community. I doubt you would put up a notice for everyone in the community who is selling their house - if you did, you would have to change the name of the website to www.Real-Estate-R-Us.com! So why do you have a real estate for Ken's house?

Fred

"So why do you have a real estate for Ken's house?"

because:
1) good market here. sentiment and nostalgia and respect etc.
the Monument concept. the Purity of Ownership concept. why not?

this is ALL a heavily commercial enterprise. ok with me. wisdom sells. houses associated with wisdom maybe will sell best as Wisdom Houses. this is america. get real. buy a cruise with peter coyote. i mean it's not like you have a job and no 5k just sitting in the cookie jar, ya?

2) because if his realtor is any good he/she suggested it.

i mean, Manbirthed it.

3) because he wants to sell his HOUSE. and this is HIS WEBSITE.

I got the ad in my email. : )

I find it humorous that on an integral website, integral people are saying that something shouldn't be included because it isn't integral. Does anyone else think that seems silly? And completely contradictory? I'm laughing quietly to myself.

Ken's house is beautiful and I'd want to buy it regardless of who owned it.

We were walking through the loft, going over what I was going to be doing on that particular day and we came to some water spots on a glass shelf and Ken asked me to clean them off, paused, and said, "You know I don't have you do this stuff to be a dick... Beauty is the shortest distance between two points, the fastest route to the Overmind".

Ken has so much perspective... a lot of times I believe him to have more perspective on my perspective than I do. So I hold open the possibility that he made that comment to me because he believed it was what I needed to hear for some reason that never entered my awareness, or to simply serve an agenda of cleanliness in his space... but I don't think so. It was something about the look in his eye, the way the phenomenal affective contours hung and passed between us... it was quite ordinary in many ways and I cannot think of a single interaction I've had with Ken that I more value.

And I see so much beauty in this house... it's structure and it's views are incredible, but much more than that IS all the meaning that I know has passed through it, all the amazing beings who cared about our finding Some-Great-Way within the manifest together. Forced to choose I'd rather have Nagarjuna's teachings than his cot... but I'd also have a hard time visiting Auschwitz and not being moved by the past that took place there.

I wish I could share some of the beauty I see in the house with you... that you might be inspired to spend your time in other ways than making cynical blog posts about Darfur and KW's undies... that just doesn't help anyone a goddamn bit. I think you can do our we one better than that if you try.

Brian Berger
Personal Assistant to Ken Wilber
"Have axe and bucket... will travel."

P.S. - ATTENTION WILBER-WORSHIPERS - Ken does have some really hot man-panties and I do have my price... $1k clean, $2k dirty for me to steal you a pair.

Personally I am more shocked by these responses than the house being in holons. I have never made Ken my God and do appreciate his contribution to my Spiritual growth. I wonder how some of you were ever attracted to this type of work.....apparently only an intellectual endeavor. If you can't find something positive to say ....keep silent. I don't always agree with his choices but neither do I with mine. It looks like a beautiful house to me...wish I could afford it.

Allen

it really is a beautiful house. and you can't afford it. ah well. me neither.

that's why i am still waiting on dan.

(this all reminds me of 1968 for some reason. my best friend had a [very famous] Teacher who would get her to clean out the food pantry at the ashram every night. she would do so, meticulously. in the morning she would find it totally trashed, and he would say a wise thing ,and she would go ahhhhhh, and clean it again. i remember how profound that was. what, @35 years ago? o my.)

i just forwarded her the glass counter-washing story. she cracks up, says, "well, actually, he was just being a dick."

(also, he was a wonderful teacher.)

such grim humorlessness, oy. it will all come right, don't worry.

and Brian... forget the underpants.. will you be MY realtor? I had a kensho here, once. sort of. leaky roof, though. still. love to all.

"I find it humorous that on an integral website, integral people are saying that something shouldn't be included because it isn't integral. Does anyone else think that seems silly?"

yeah. : )

wait.

ken's million dollar house is to ken,

as nagarjuna's cot is to nagarjuna?

as Auschwitz is to... um...

this really IS getting into like, HOLY RELICS...

though Auschwitz seems an unfortunate analogy... what a fascinating dance.

ken deserves better. g'night.

It's a beautiful house, price is actually very reasonable for Boulder and the location and views. Hopefully someone will buy it and live in it and enjoy it for what it is, a well-kept, well-loved house. Or maybe someone will take a page out of Priscilla Presley's book and turn it into Graceland for intellectuals. Who knows. At any rate I hope Ken gets a good price for it, I imagine it is hard (even for him) to part with a place that must have so many memories associated with it.

Perhaps the whole issue of appropriateness could be solved by having a sort of "classifieds" page attached to Holons where people could buy and sell stuff they think others in the community might be interested in. Just a thought.

back in the day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IMxgUZJ4tA&mode=related&search=

is ken still buddies with andrew cohen? erm. be aware, children of light.

http://whatenlightenment.blogspot.com/

It is an aesthetically beautiful home well suited to the scenic surroundings. Thank you for the information.

With nostalgia and a knowledge that Denver will be a fantastic move!

Best regards to all,

William B. Hall

never mind, that house got COOTIES. check out enlightennixt. check out ALL da stuff. you guys are SHOCKED at "vitriol"? protective of poor ken, the "projection magnet? who the hell you think you are dealing with here??

poor dummies.

this guy plays ball with cohen and adi da. and you want NICE???

speaking of muahahahahahaha.

Poor "becca." May she continue to sip and enjoy the acid elixir that she calls Integral Humor all to her dark, little self. Let Integralists give her acknowledgement for her fine contribution (my, doesn't she keep us on our toes with her wit!) and see whether her ego can stop itself, then continue to breathe, enjoy a few photos of a house with a lot of wonderful memories, and move on.

p.s. First dibs on any K.W. briefs.

This just cracked me up...oops duality.

As a person who splits time between London and NYC, the price looks low, low, low to me. Awesome, save the fact that I'd have to live with the shadows of the Denver/Boulder II crowd. I cop to being bummed about the fractillisation of II. Having spent significant time and energy at II seminars and events back in the day and pouring through Ken's tomes, I was really excited about the venture. The global warming of II was fast and furious...I wonder if Ken's house still gets snow, or is, perhaps, buried in it year-round.

At first, I thought it was kind of comical and endearing to see the Denver crowd in their second tier Prada (red lines are for tourists, people and skull motifs are so 2005) waxing iambic about Hollyrock...small, small pond and all of that..equally humourous was seeing the arranged marriage between Stuart Davis and Ken's ex woMan. Large and in charge, Ken. You go. That's evolution, baby.

Nonetheless, the inability of II to retain or recruit a strong staff sounded something of a death nell for the immediate future. The ILP kit is beyond embarrassing. Green Orange Green Orange Green

Selling the house via Holons? You've got to be kidding me, did you really expect anything else? I donated a fat amount in the early days only to have the CFO forget who I was within moments. While you might think it impresses people to have a CFO who practicesmartial arts, I'd like to see him do his basic job before I send dough down the integral plumbing. No more from me, silly rabbits.

No more money to fund a staff that seems to board the E train on a regular basis. Party like it's 1993.

ciao.

If Ken Wilber is human:He has economic realities, that's true,he has consideration of others in his inside circle to share something he values, that's good, he built a house into a home & in every dwelling some heart remains, that's beautiful. Isn't that Integral? But then again I've just ordered my ILP start up kit.
Peace
J.

In response to the entry from "anonymous" RE: Becca - "anonymous", wouldn't it serve your desired fixed purpose (something that II provides in droves,shhh don't tell Ken...ooops, he already knows, thus "The Integral Life Bath Kit" or whateva) to say that she "sips from her acid cup" alone, and furthermore it's not filled with acid. As much as any other thing, criticism has it's place in the honest, humble expansion of ones conciousness. I have enjoyed and benefited from much of Ken's work, but there is an unfortunate trend in "integral" that has developed, that being to feed off of ones own (whether you as an individual or "you" as the immediate group you exclusivley identify with) pool of pre-approved knowledge and to see criticism as "mean green meme projection" or the jealousy of the unenlightened. While criticism can mask insecurity, it can also be leveled with a wish to elevate the knowledge it critciszes to a spot where that knowledge can reflect on itself and it's origins, rather than simply just reflecting itself out into the cosmos in a topical fashion. To reject criticism is quite regularly the cynics lonley gambit (talk about sipping the cup alone), and it really appears that "Cynicism often is the shame faced mask of a woeful inexperience". (can't recall who dropped that one, but it seemes quite apropriate for the moment). By the way, the house is a effin' beauty, and I'm not surprised at all to find it advertised in Holons. Take that as you will. Be well, party people.

YUM